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	<title>Comments on: Richard Dutcher leaves Mormon cinema and Mormonism</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 06:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought he left the church, but I read in the Daily Herald that he's screening another "mormon movie" at the sunstone symposium (sp?). 

Is he mormon or not????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought he left the church, but I read in the Daily Herald that he&#8217;s screening another &#8220;mormon movie&#8221; at the sunstone symposium (sp?). </p>
<p>Is he mormon or not????</p>
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		<title>By: SCS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading your reasoned analysis of the situation with Richard Dutcher, Eric.  I pretty much agree with your assessment of things.

I may be a Johnny-come-lately to this discussion, but I only just learned about all of this.  As a member of the church and an ultra-low-budget independent filmmaker, I knew who Dutcher was and had an interest in his career.  I live outside Utah, and I've only seen one of his films ("States of Grace"), although I've read reviews of his others.

There are several facets to this story.  I'll try to touch on each.

First is Richard's departure from the church.  I was genuinely saddened to read his announcement.  A side of me actually wanted to crank off a lengthy email to him.  But who am I kiddingÃ¢â‚¬Â¦he's a big boy, and he doesn't know me from Adam.  Still, if I knew him personally, I would have been on the phone to him in a heartbeat.  I wish him well and hope that he will one day reconsider.

The impact of this on LDS cinema, and the state of that niche market is another facet.  I've really not sampled much of LDS cinema, although, I was aware Dutcher was considered one of its brightest stars.  I suspect there's more than a little truth to some of Dutcher's criticisms about the general quality of the genre/niche based on what I've read elsewhere, however, I disagree with his apparent disappointment in Keith Merrill's work.  I know where heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s coming from, but heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s missing the big picture, and heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s somewhat comparing apples to oranges.  MerrillÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s films accomplished their purposes very well.  Still, I can appreciate DutcherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s frustration with quality control in the genre and his desire to see the bar raised.  

I read an interview with him once where he seemed to blame others for essentially killing off the market for his own films.  I'm not sure that was entirely fair of him.  Dutcher, as much or more than any other 'LDS cinema' filmmaker, had a name that audiences knew and a reputation that exceeded what most came to expect from the genre.  I bought his "States of Grace" DVD purely on his reputation, not on the reputation of the genre.  I believe that ultimately your fortunes rise or sink based on the quality of your work.  When you start blaming people outside your production for your lack of success, it's time to step back, take a deep breath, and open your mind to your own shortcomings.

I have enormous respect for anyone who can marshal the sort of resources Dutcher did and create films of the quality of "States of Grace."  And I appreciate the limitations of low-budget filmmaking, both in terms of human and non-human resources.  That said, I can understand why SOG wasn't more successful.  I definitely think Dutcher is a talented filmmaker, but I can see areas for improvement in SOG's script.  It would be interesting to sit down with Dutcher and have a constructive-criticism session.  He isn't leaving cinema altogether, so we'll be able to track his progress down the road.  As Keith Merrill wondered, I do hope Dutcher doesn't compromise his values in his future work.  Merrill had a good point about the value of "G-rated truths."  You don't have to sell your soul to make a hit--or to move your audience. 

The final facet to this saga is Keith Merrill's reaction.  Merrill will be the first to admit he spoke out of anger (actually, he did--both in his original letter and his subsequent retraction).  I understand why he took offense.  I don't hold it against him.  We're all human.  I thought his apology was sincere, and what more can you do in that situation than that?  Despite the tongue lashing, Merrill does make some valid points of his own.  He's a very talented filmmaker in his own right, and I still have enormous respect for the man and his work.

Some final thoughts--I guess this development means Dutcher won't be the 'promised one' who makes the definitive Joseph Smith film after all.  I had high hopes back when he announced he was going to make the film, and it sounded like he had the funding, although I guess Larry Miller decided to pull out.  I do believe that film will be made one day when the right person comes along.

While I don't aspire to make films that would fall into the 'LDS cinema' category, I do hope those who devote themselves to this niche will strive to improve their craft and push the quality of their work to ever-higher levels.  Dutcher may not have also been as tactful as he could have been, but he isn't entirely off the mark in some of his remarks.  Even though Dutcher has left the stage, there is still enormous potential in the genre, just as he used to believe.  The audience is ready and willing to lay down their hard-earned money for a quality film experience.  ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s up to filmmakers to provide it.  "If you build it, they will come."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading your reasoned analysis of the situation with Richard Dutcher, Eric.  I pretty much agree with your assessment of things.</p>
<p>I may be a Johnny-come-lately to this discussion, but I only just learned about all of this.  As a member of the church and an ultra-low-budget independent filmmaker, I knew who Dutcher was and had an interest in his career.  I live outside Utah, and I&#8217;ve only seen one of his films (&#8221;States of Grace&#8221;), although I&#8217;ve read reviews of his others.</p>
<p>There are several facets to this story.  I&#8217;ll try to touch on each.</p>
<p>First is Richard&#8217;s departure from the church.  I was genuinely saddened to read his announcement.  A side of me actually wanted to crank off a lengthy email to him.  But who am I kiddingÃ¢â‚¬Â¦he&#8217;s a big boy, and he doesn&#8217;t know me from Adam.  Still, if I knew him personally, I would have been on the phone to him in a heartbeat.  I wish him well and hope that he will one day reconsider.</p>
<p>The impact of this on LDS cinema, and the state of that niche market is another facet.  I&#8217;ve really not sampled much of LDS cinema, although, I was aware Dutcher was considered one of its brightest stars.  I suspect there&#8217;s more than a little truth to some of Dutcher&#8217;s criticisms about the general quality of the genre/niche based on what I&#8217;ve read elsewhere, however, I disagree with his apparent disappointment in Keith Merrill&#8217;s work.  I know where heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s coming from, but heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s missing the big picture, and heÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s somewhat comparing apples to oranges.  MerrillÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s films accomplished their purposes very well.  Still, I can appreciate DutcherÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s frustration with quality control in the genre and his desire to see the bar raised.  </p>
<p>I read an interview with him once where he seemed to blame others for essentially killing off the market for his own films.  I&#8217;m not sure that was entirely fair of him.  Dutcher, as much or more than any other &#8216;LDS cinema&#8217; filmmaker, had a name that audiences knew and a reputation that exceeded what most came to expect from the genre.  I bought his &#8220;States of Grace&#8221; DVD purely on his reputation, not on the reputation of the genre.  I believe that ultimately your fortunes rise or sink based on the quality of your work.  When you start blaming people outside your production for your lack of success, it&#8217;s time to step back, take a deep breath, and open your mind to your own shortcomings.</p>
<p>I have enormous respect for anyone who can marshal the sort of resources Dutcher did and create films of the quality of &#8220;States of Grace.&#8221;  And I appreciate the limitations of low-budget filmmaking, both in terms of human and non-human resources.  That said, I can understand why SOG wasn&#8217;t more successful.  I definitely think Dutcher is a talented filmmaker, but I can see areas for improvement in SOG&#8217;s script.  It would be interesting to sit down with Dutcher and have a constructive-criticism session.  He isn&#8217;t leaving cinema altogether, so we&#8217;ll be able to track his progress down the road.  As Keith Merrill wondered, I do hope Dutcher doesn&#8217;t compromise his values in his future work.  Merrill had a good point about the value of &#8220;G-rated truths.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t have to sell your soul to make a hit&#8211;or to move your audience. </p>
<p>The final facet to this saga is Keith Merrill&#8217;s reaction.  Merrill will be the first to admit he spoke out of anger (actually, he did&#8211;both in his original letter and his subsequent retraction).  I understand why he took offense.  I don&#8217;t hold it against him.  We&#8217;re all human.  I thought his apology was sincere, and what more can you do in that situation than that?  Despite the tongue lashing, Merrill does make some valid points of his own.  He&#8217;s a very talented filmmaker in his own right, and I still have enormous respect for the man and his work.</p>
<p>Some final thoughts&#8211;I guess this development means Dutcher won&#8217;t be the &#8216;promised one&#8217; who makes the definitive Joseph Smith film after all.  I had high hopes back when he announced he was going to make the film, and it sounded like he had the funding, although I guess Larry Miller decided to pull out.  I do believe that film will be made one day when the right person comes along.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t aspire to make films that would fall into the &#8216;LDS cinema&#8217; category, I do hope those who devote themselves to this niche will strive to improve their craft and push the quality of their work to ever-higher levels.  Dutcher may not have also been as tactful as he could have been, but he isn&#8217;t entirely off the mark in some of his remarks.  Even though Dutcher has left the stage, there is still enormous potential in the genre, just as he used to believe.  The audience is ready and willing to lay down their hard-earned money for a quality film experience.  ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s up to filmmakers to provide it.  &#8220;If you build it, they will come.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Argus Skyhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argus Skyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will add that Dutcher shares your opinion of The Singles Ward (so do I).  He asked that his cameo be removed from the video release after he saw it in the theater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will add that Dutcher shares your opinion of The Singles Ward (so do I).  He asked that his cameo be removed from the video release after he saw it in the theater.</p>
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		<title>By: Argus Skyhawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argus Skyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton, your taste might not be too different from Dutcher's; most of the movies you mentioned are among the better LDS films.  The RM was lame, and I stayed away from The Home Teachers, The Book of Mormon Movie, Day of Defense, Church Ball, Baptists at Our Barbeque, Hand Cart, and various others because I heard they were awful.  Dutcher may; have been refering to those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton, your taste might not be too different from Dutcher&#8217;s; most of the movies you mentioned are among the better LDS films.  The RM was lame, and I stayed away from The Home Teachers, The Book of Mormon Movie, Day of Defense, Church Ball, Baptists at Our Barbeque, Hand Cart, and various others because I heard they were awful.  Dutcher may; have been refering to those.</p>
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		<title>By: Clinton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as long as Eric doesn't leave Mormonism and its cinema, everything will be okay, 'cause you know, how can you have an art without anyone to criticize it?
Actually, the only Dutcher film I saw was God's Army.  It was good.  I've also seen The Legend of Johnny Lingo (it was bad, but I liked it anyway), The Singles Ward (bad, but my brother-in-law loves it), The Best Two Years (good), Charlie (my wife and I watch that one whenever we need a good cry.  Don't tell her it's bad, them's fightin' words), The Other Side of Heaven (does that count as a Mormon movie? anyway, I thought it was good).  That's all I can think of for now.  Seems like Mormon cinema's doing okay to me.  I guess Dutcher and I must have different tastes.
One more question:  if Orson Card's Ender's Game gets made into a movie, and he's credited with the script, can that count as Mormon cinema too?  How about if any of the Alvin Maker or Return to Earth books get made into movies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as long as Eric doesn&#8217;t leave Mormonism and its cinema, everything will be okay, &#8217;cause you know, how can you have an art without anyone to criticize it?<br />
Actually, the only Dutcher film I saw was God&#8217;s Army.  It was good.  I&#8217;ve also seen The Legend of Johnny Lingo (it was bad, but I liked it anyway), The Singles Ward (bad, but my brother-in-law loves it), The Best Two Years (good), Charlie (my wife and I watch that one whenever we need a good cry.  Don&#8217;t tell her it&#8217;s bad, them&#8217;s fightin&#8217; words), The Other Side of Heaven (does that count as a Mormon movie? anyway, I thought it was good).  That&#8217;s all I can think of for now.  Seems like Mormon cinema&#8217;s doing okay to me.  I guess Dutcher and I must have different tastes.<br />
One more question:  if Orson Card&#8217;s Ender&#8217;s Game gets made into a movie, and he&#8217;s credited with the script, can that count as Mormon cinema too?  How about if any of the Alvin Maker or Return to Earth books get made into movies?</p>
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		<title>By: Argus Skyhawk</title>
		<link>http://www.ericdsnider.com/blog/2007/04/16/richard-dutcher-leaves-mormon-cinema-and-mormonism/#comment-29335</link>
		<dc:creator>Argus Skyhawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can imagine why Dutcher might not have wanted to be more specific about why he is leaving the church.  If he stated particular doctrines or practices with which he disagreed, he would likely invite unintended debate and offend people he did not intend to alienate.  I know that Dutcher has shown through his movies that he is willing to be brutally honest at the risk of offending others, but doing so in that article could drag the direction of the conversation away from what he intended to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can imagine why Dutcher might not have wanted to be more specific about why he is leaving the church.  If he stated particular doctrines or practices with which he disagreed, he would likely invite unintended debate and offend people he did not intend to alienate.  I know that Dutcher has shown through his movies that he is willing to be brutally honest at the risk of offending others, but doing so in that article could drag the direction of the conversation away from what he intended to say.</p>
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		<title>By: card</title>
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		<dc:creator>card</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They have pushed audience members to evaluate exactly what they believe and why."

That's actually what annoys me about the movies.  I equate the pushing with someone trying to tell me how to feel, and that's irritating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They have pushed audience members to evaluate exactly what they believe and why.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually what annoys me about the movies.  I equate the pushing with someone trying to tell me how to feel, and that&#8217;s irritating.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutchers films have been great. They have pushed audience members to evaluate exactly what they believe and why. The rest of Mormon cinema seems to be content to be associated with the church, making money because they are going to sell tickets to the Mormon community. They don't seem to be interested in creating a moving and compelling film, they are content to make fluff. They entertain, but they don't get viewers to care. Dutcher was a filmmaker first. His films were great because he allowed the viewer to see his own personal questions and how he found strength from his faith. Its sad that he felt he couldn't be a Mormon anymore, but he has never BASED his movies on him being a Mormon, they have been based on his asking questions of himself and of the audience. I am still going to be following Dutcher because he makes great movies. One of the best TRULY independent filmmakers that is working today.  Faith and spiritually will still be huge themes in his films. I only wish I could see them before they come out on video.  (limited release sucks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dutchers films have been great. They have pushed audience members to evaluate exactly what they believe and why. The rest of Mormon cinema seems to be content to be associated with the church, making money because they are going to sell tickets to the Mormon community. They don&#8217;t seem to be interested in creating a moving and compelling film, they are content to make fluff. They entertain, but they don&#8217;t get viewers to care. Dutcher was a filmmaker first. His films were great because he allowed the viewer to see his own personal questions and how he found strength from his faith. Its sad that he felt he couldn&#8217;t be a Mormon anymore, but he has never BASED his movies on him being a Mormon, they have been based on his asking questions of himself and of the audience. I am still going to be following Dutcher because he makes great movies. One of the best TRULY independent filmmakers that is working today.  Faith and spiritually will still be huge themes in his films. I only wish I could see them before they come out on video.  (limited release sucks)</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem I see is that many people thought that Dutcher was toeing the line spiritually when his movies came out, for depicting thing like baptism or blessings. Now they're going to feel they've been proven right. Plus, people who participate in LDS cinema are going to have to fend off questions about their commitment to the church. Mamas aren't going to let their children grow up to be filmmakers. I think this is a sad day for 
LDS cinema.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem I see is that many people thought that Dutcher was toeing the line spiritually when his movies came out, for depicting thing like baptism or blessings. Now they&#8217;re going to feel they&#8217;ve been proven right. Plus, people who participate in LDS cinema are going to have to fend off questions about their commitment to the church. Mamas aren&#8217;t going to let their children grow up to be filmmakers. I think this is a sad day for<br />
LDS cinema.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, my brother and I talked about stuff like this concerning Mr. Dutcher this last weekend... craziness.

I like his reference to Oliver Cowdery.  I hope he reconsiders his feelings towards the church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, my brother and I talked about stuff like this concerning Mr. Dutcher this last weekend&#8230; craziness.</p>
<p>I like his reference to Oliver Cowdery.  I hope he reconsiders his feelings towards the church.</p>
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