There’s nothing like religion ‘n’ politics to get people riled up, and nothing like the safe anonymity of the Internet to make them unafraid of expressing their anger.
Two of my movie reviews from this weekend, of Bill Maher’s anti-religion screed “Religulous” and the liberal-bashing spoof “An American Carol,” attracted much fiery discourse. They also attracted quite a few visitors to the site who had not been here before, which is always nice.
My C-grade review of “Religulous” falls among the 35% of negative reviews counted at Rotten Tomatoes, and I guess being in the minority earned it a little extra attention. The comments being posted on it are starting to echo the faith-vs-atheism debate that we had on my review of “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” and I wonder if our time might be more profitably spent re-reading that thread rather than repeating it.
I found that someone quoted from my “Religulous” review, and posted a link to it, at Free Republic. If you’re not familiar with Free Republic, this is where the rightest-wing crazies hang out. This is where people honestly believe Barack Obama is a secret Muslim, as well as the anti-Christ, and where George W. Bush is revered as one of America’s greatest presidents.
I’m not surprised that the Freepers (as they are known) liked my pan of Maher’s movie, since they are mostly evangelical Christians (and, in fact, tend to believe that evangelical Christianity and the Republican Party are the same thing). But one of their comments made me laugh. Someone quoted my review and added his response as follows:
[Quote from review:] anti-Christianity. Judaism and Islam each get a scant few minutes of screen time, and no other faiths are even mentioned
This is what I thought, but had no proof. No making fun of Bhuddism or Hinduism, and definitely not Islam (Maher is no dummy. He wants to go on living!)
No, idiot. Maher does make fun of Islam — he just doesn’t spend very much time on it. But he does make fun of it. In fact, I SAID he makes fun of it. In fact, I said it IN THE VERY SENTENCE YOU QUOTED.
How do you do that? How do you quote a line that says, basically, “Judaism and Islam are mocked but not very much,” and then say, “See? I knew he wouldn’t mock Islam”? Talk about ignoring the facts that don’t support what you already thought!
Meanwhile, my review of “An American Carol” has gotten tons of comments, mostly from conservatives. Many of these comments were posted in a short space of time, and many of them echo one another, but I can’t figure out why the sudden bombardment happened. My site statistics don’t show the review being linked anywhere other than the usual places (Google and Rotten Tomatoes), but a sudden surge of comments — especially comments that are similar to one another — usually means it was cited somewhere, like “Religulous” was. Maybe the scarcity of reviews at Rotten Tomatoes means more attention for each of them.
Anyway, there’s a lot of support for the movie, both for its actual content and for the very idea of its existence. There’s also the expected “You’re too liberal to appreciate how brilliantly funny this movie is,” which I take as seriously as I take any attempt by a stranger to explain why I did or didn’t like something, i.e., not the least bit seriously.
One of my favorite comments goes like this:
We will be seeing this movie tonight. Cannot wait…sounds GREAT. This is the first time in 8 years I’ve gone to see a movie. I’m so sick of, all the so called “Stars” ramming there views down our throats. Every time I see one of these people telling me how to think, I cross them off my list of movies to watch. I mean it, I will NEVER give one dime to the movie “stars”. They really need to get over there self. THEY MAKE ME SICK, I hope the whole industry crashes. One day it will, as long as they eliminate half the people in the nation. 50/50 last election, I guess the same thing this year. People are passionate about there polictics, best they stay out of mine.
In other words, if you’re a celebrity, do NOT tell this woman what your political views are!! Unless they are the same as hers, as with “An American Carol.” Then it’s OK to ram your views down her throat. But seriously, Hollywood! Stop spouting your political views*! Don’t tell this woman what to think unless it’s something she already thinks!
*The ones that do not correlate with hers, I mean.
(P.S. “They really need to get over there self” provides aid and comfort to the terrorists.)
Self-righteous, judgmental, first-to-throw the stone comments on movie reviews make baby Jesus cry.
“I hope the whole industry crashes. One day it will, as long as they eliminate half the people in the nation. ”
Eliminate half the people in the nation? Is she talking about the Rapture?
“in fact, tend to believe that evangelical Christianity and the Republican Party are the same thing”
They are. See Ecclesiastes 10:2.
I like it when celebrities spout their views on politics, because then we get to make fun of them even more. I hear Sarah Palin was really choked up over losing the Lindsay Lohan vote.
“Meanwhile, my review of “An American Carol” has gotten tons of comments, mostly from conservatives. Many of these comments were posted in a short space of time,”
Boy, I’ll say. I didn’t even know you had posted your review of this movie yet. When I read it, it already had 27 comments! Clearly it struck a nerve…
Eric Snider, a voice of reason in a messed-up world.
You know you’re onto something when both the anti-religion and the anti-science folks attack you.
If you get a chance, read the reader comments on Will’s “ACC” review at Cinematical. The crazies are hilarious.
But the human heart IS to the left of the body (anatomically speaking, I mean)!
My addition to the discussion at American Carol didn’t come because I’d been directed here from anywhere else. I’ve been visiting the site here for years, mostly as a lurker. But after seven years of seeing the lies and distortions about our country’s conduct, sometimes the urge to speak out against it becomes rather strong. It’s a coincidence that I said something along with all the others, not a conspiracy.
That last quote reminds me of one piece of doublethink that’s always struck me as funny/depressing: people who wax poetic about the glory of democracy in one breath, then say “I wish everyone who voted different from me was jailed/deported/killed” in the next.
Freedom of speech is great unless I disagree.
“This is where people honestly believe Barack Obama is a secret Muslim, as well as the anti-Christ, and where George W. Bush is revered as one of America’s greatest presidents.”
Well, I do agree that the crazies are the ones that believe that Obama is a secret Muslim and the anti-Christ and all that (definitely coming from left field), but was kind of left confused by the last reference (and that’s not saying I believe that Bush was one of the greatest presidents) since Eric seems to be equating it in craziness with the last two.
Here are some posts from an author that I don’t necessarily put in the “crazies” category that believes that Bush actually IS one of the greatest presidents we ever had;
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-12-01-1.html
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-06-03-1.html
And as I said in a post to his latest Snide Remarks, I wish it was November already and we could all just move on with our lives.
He might have been sane before, but If he’s saying Bush is one of our greatest presidents, that moves him into the “crazies” category.
Boy, Tired, I would absolutely lump that particular author in with the “crazies.” Check out the forums after each of his posts where people actually fact check the stuff he’s saying.
One thing that bugs me a bit about naming Dubya the best or worst present in American history is: isn’t it up to history to decide that? I’m sure Abraham Lincoln was less than stunningly popular at the time, but his fight to preserve/reunite the country was of monumental impact . Conversely, Ulysses Grant was re-elected, which means he must have been popular enough, but history hasn’t exactly smiled upon him, painting him as an ineffective man who let corruption run wild and who was far more effective as a general than a president.
I probably wouldn’t give Bush II the A+, but I’m not ready to hand out the F- quite yet. It seems like there should be some degree of historical detachment before we do so.